Shipping WinFS Beta 1

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XeroCool — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:27:40 GMT

How about some lovely screenshots?

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Terje — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:30:32 GMT

Excellent! Downloading...

WinFS Makes a Cameo Appearance

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And unlike the Uncle you were told to stay away from as a child at family reunions,&nbsp;a welcome one...

WinFS Makes a Cameo Appearance

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[edit] Make that virtually *no* documentation, aside from a small .chm file.&nbsp; Doh! [/edit] And...

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Andre Da Costa — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:15:40 GMT

XeroCool here is a link to some screenies:
http://bazzoni.blogspot.com/2005/08/first-impressions-winfs-beta-1.html

WinFS Beta 1 released!

Mike Bazarewsky — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:22:22 GMT

WinFS Beta 1, including XP support, has been released and is now on MSDN!&nbsp; (I'm downloading now,...

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Pascal Germroth — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:23:49 GMT

Asking as a non-MSDN-Member (too pricey): when will there be a public beta (don't mind the documentation... it's much more fun without it, concentrate on programming :D)

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Quentin — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:40:33 GMT

The documentation to look at is the SDK... it's called "winfssdk.chm"

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Robert Scoble — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:20:19 GMT

Quentin, you're on Channel 9!

http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=106356#106356

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abanker — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 04:23:15 GMT

Will Win2K3 be supported soon?

WinFS Beta Released!

Hope — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 04:31:49 GMT

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Marshall — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 04:38:04 GMT

Sounds great can't wait to try it.

Pity it will still be in beta when Vista ships.

WinFS Live and Kicking (beta 1 anyway!)

Thushan Fernando — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 05:06:37 GMT

Thats right, WinFS has just gone Beta 1 see the official Shipping WinFS Beta 1 thread on the WinFS blog...

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X.Static — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 05:08:09 GMT

" The documentation to look at is the SDK... it's called "winfssdk.chm"

Ahh gotcha...I was looking at the seperate .chm dl from MSDN, which is pretty slim. Thx.

WinFS Makes a Cameo Appearance

protected virtual void jaysonBlog { — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 05:09:15 GMT

[edit] Make that virtually *no* documentation, aside from a small .chm file.&nbsp; Doh! [/edit] &lt;--...

Scope of WinFS

Todd Bandrowsky — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 05:11:34 GMT

Since you are an ex DEC guy, does this mean that Windows will have versions of files? Will we be able to throw away Source Safe? Also, what will be the point of SQL Server if we have a file system that is already relational?

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ShaolinTiger — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 05:51:35 GMT

Hmm WinFS...

A file system with a MS-SQL backend to manipulate the meta data...

Who on earth would trust something as important as a file system when it's based on something as unreliable as MS-SQL?

get SDK without MSDN

ralphie — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:18:30 GMT

Is there an sdk?
Can we get the sdk?

WinFS beta 1 released

Alex Barnett blog — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:19:32 GMT

Robert Scoble has uploaded the WinFS video to Channel 9. Haven't seen it myself yet, only just heard!...

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Robert Swirsky — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:20:43 GMT

This is great news. With 1TB local file systems becoming common place, a different approach to file systems was sorely needed.

I have applications that require me to store millions of photos and access them quickly. I'm hoping that the WinFS architecture will let me do that--we're downloading the beta right now.

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Jesse Andrews — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:33:16 GMT

I was under the impression that WinFS used MsSQL, and that the next version of MsSQL had OR mapping?

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robT — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:59:38 GMT

best quote from slashdot:

...You are (deliberately?) misunderstanding what WinFS is designed to accomplish.

Locking out Linux/Samba clients and servers?

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Aaron — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:03:29 GMT

Too bad it won't install on VS 2005 August CTP. Any chance there will be another beta/CTP of WinFS soon after VS 2005 RTMs?

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Nathan — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:06:15 GMT

Um, why is it called a File System when its just a DB file in the root of the disk that holds the meta data? Where is the magic? Its just NTFS with some metadata gubbins bolted on. I don't see innovation here. I see a kludge.

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Smeagol — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:14:17 GMT

Anyone know if WinFS can use other types of storage other than NTFS as the back-file storage? Can I do CIFS to a different storage platform for example? That would be way cool.

standards?

Will — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:21:04 GMT

Will you guys be opening up the information on this file system so it can be accessed from other operating systems? Its been how many years now and there's still no true support in linux for NTFS.

WinFS Makes a Cameo Appearance

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[edit] Make that virtually *no* documentation, aside from a small .chm file.&nbsp; Doh! [/edit] &lt;--...

WinFS Beta 1 is alive

STEFANO DEMILIANI WeBlog — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:10:13 GMT

WinFS Beta 1 is alive

STEFANO DEMILIANI WeBlog — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:10:54 GMT

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Danny — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:05:45 GMT

Hi Quentin, congratulations on the milestone!

RDF enthusiasts (like myself) are eagerly waiting in the wings for a public release. Firstly to see how the system lines up against the Semantic Web technology stack (RDF/OWL/SPARQL etc), secondly to bridge between that stack and WinFS.

Now if I understand correctly from previous conversations with MS people, when it comes to adopting standards MS tends to take an all-or-nothing approach. But I do think it would be in the interests of WinFS (and the world in general) for MS to assist in making it RDF-compatible. Historically the RDF community has been good on theory and breadth of capability, slower on implementation. From what I've seen of WinFS I'd hazard the characterization that it's the simplest implementation of a graph data model with typed nodes that could work. Good on implementation, slower on theory and breadth. The work that has been done on RDF over the past few years can offers solid formal foundations for directions in which WinFS could grow.

But this is hand-waving. How about this practical scenario - you have a WinFS store designed to hold data collected by an RSS aggregator. You would like to extend its support into the review data that is beginning to be published through extended RSS and microformats. The back-end can support the arbitrary extension, the front end can parse in the data, but what shared model can be used to integrate the extension with the core RSS (+lists) model? I'd suggest RDF, its capability as a common model in this kind of circumstance has already been proved. (As it happens the work's already well under way to do exactly this kind of thing with RDF stores, using GRDDL to interpret the source data).

(a few blog posts on the subject: http://dannyayers.com/index.php?s=winfs&submit=Search+Archives )

Why .NET requiement?

Ron — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:27:21 GMT

According to the one blog elsewhere the installation needs .NET beta 2.

Since when a Filesystem needs some kind of virtual machine? Sounds odd atm.

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LiFers — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:12:13 GMT

I hope part of the goal of WinFS was to radically reinvent bit storage rather than just our world of data.

Lots of developers have shown that old technologies no longer cut it. Where's the research into wandering logs/journals? Data modeling and growth prediction? Online resizers? Built in defragmentation? Small file packing? More intelligent caches? Fully atomic operations?

And why can't we do it all faster than we do it now?

AND have your SQL engine on top?

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Wally — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:35:59 GMT

Does anyone know if WinFS runs on a 64 bit OS at this point?

Wally

Comparing WinFS to other ReiserFS

Tim Pfeifer — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:45:47 GMT

Although I (mostly) use GNU/Linux as my primary operating system, I follow the developement of Microsoft Windows where ever possible. Now that there are more and more Blogs from the dev teams at Microsoft this isn't only for jounalists anymore.

Now my question...
ReiserFS (Version 4 in particular) tries to blur the borders between databases and filesystems.
Hans Reiser said that "the need for databases is an indicator that the filesystem developers didn't do their job right". So as I see it, WinFS and ReiserFS have some goals in common.
How would you compare WinFS to ReiserFS. Are there any similarities? What is different?

Thanks,
Tim

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Andrew Conrad's WebLog — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:13:56 GMT

The news is out (see paragraph four specifically)&nbsp;&nbsp;on what I have been working on for the...

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Andrei — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:58:43 GMT

No, 64-bit platforms are not supported in Beta 1.

WinFS Beta 1 is Out!

Shahar Nechmad - Brings clarity to your world — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 03:00:06 GMT

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Andrei Maksimenka — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 03:21:27 GMT

2 Tim:

Now my question...
ReiserFS (Version 4 in particular) tries to blur the borders between databases and filesystems.
Hans Reiser said that "the need for databases is an indicator that the filesystem developers didn't do their job right". So as I see it, WinFS and ReiserFS have some goals in common.
How would you compare WinFS to ReiserFS. Are there any similarities? What is different?

According to Reiser's paper at http://www.namesys.com/whitepaper.html, he's trying to create a keyword-based description model for data, while WinFS essentially provides object-relational mapping based on user-defined and system-provided schemas which describe that mapping. In WinFS, users are able to use queries simialar to SQL to uniformly manipulate both file and native (non-file) items and links. WinFS effectively is a relational data storage but it also combines it with the power of keyword-based model with the search capabilities based on full-text and keyword information for items from the WinFS store. In this sense it's more flexible and powerful than ReiserFS described above. I doubt that purely keyword-based storage (or file system) is the only answer to uniform storage needs.

Andrei

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阿杰 — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 04:51:39 GMT

怎么没有下载地址呀？

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JoeW — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 05:26:01 GMT

Quentin

You mentioned C#3 OR mapping. Will WinFS be dependent on the compiler upgrades - will the API be dependent on the expression tree, for example.

I personally think this would make sense, rather than trying to do your own OR mapping.

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Umer Hanif — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:41:46 GMT

Hello Mr. Quentin,

Nice to see that WinFS is alive and is now on the front scenes. I had always been excited about 2 pieces of technology i.e Avalon and WinFS and the Avalon people had been really good at making CTPs available on the internet but now that WinFS has a beta available i m really excited about it!!!

I have a request, Please make it available on a public download basis because MSDN is expensive!!!

Hoping for a positive response.

Good Luck!!

Umer.

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Alex James — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:55:08 GMT

Nice, I find your comments about less prescribed mappings very interesting. I have been working on my own mini WinFS for a while called Base4. and about 3 months ago, I decided it needed a major refactor to support flexible mappings. More in my post.

Alex

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Andrea — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:59:41 GMT

Well better late than never i suppose...

Vista?

theCoach — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:48:16 GMT

I am limited to a single machine for installing betas. It currently has Vista on it, but I am very interested in WinFS -- to me it was by far the most interesting aspect of the Longhorn plan -- is there a way, or some guidance as to get it installed on Vista, or a timeframe that we can use to evaluate what to do with limited resources? Thanks

WinFS Beta 1

Hyujin — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:19:11 GMT

Hi to all.
In NTFS we have shared folders in a network, what about in WinFS?

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Lordmike — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:54:52 GMT

Interresting reading on the WinFS beta 1.
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winfs_preview.asp

Technical question about WinFS

Vivek — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:17:17 GMT

I had one very basic question about the implementation of WinFS.

As I understand it there is a close relationship between SQL Server and WinFS implementations. All the metadata about files, I expect is stored in the relational DB.

The actual content of the files is that also stored in a DB or is it stored as a regular file in NTFS and just the metadata is in DB.

I was just curious about the implementation as we are looking at a similar implementation issue for us and wanted to leverage some ideas from WinFS.

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Andrei — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:59:08 GMT

> Hi to all.
> In NTFS we have shared folders in a network, > what about in WinFS?

Yes, you absolutely can share folders in WinFS just like any NTFS folder.

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apropos — Fri, 02 Sep 2005 09:56:11 GMT

I'm still a little confused how this project is projected to be two *years* in beta, and that's not counting the years of development before Beta 1. That's a LONG time. Operating Systems take that long.

WinFS is NOT a filesystem

Simon — Mon, 05 Sep 2005 12:26:12 GMT

WinFS is *NOT* a file system!!

"The oft-misunderstood Windows Future Storage (WinFS), which will include technology from the 'Yukon' release of SQL Server, is not a file system, Mark Myers told me. Instead, WinFS is a service that runs on top of--and requires--NTFS. 'WinFS sits on top of NTFS,' he said. 'It sits on top of the file system. NTFS will be a requirement.'"

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winfs_preview.asp

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