Message to the VFP Community

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There will be no VFP 10

Confluence: Visual Foxpro — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:25:05 GMT

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FoxPro - o veste proasta si una buna

Weblogul lui Zoli — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:00:46 GMT

Cu care sa incep? Pai, vestea proasta e ca nu va mai exista versiunea 10 a Visual FoxPro, ceea ce inseamna

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Fernando Puyuelo Ossorio — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:22:30 GMT

How can it be? I can't believe it.

VFP is a really very good development tool, and dbf supported is impressive.

It is a shame. They are really sad news. I am very upset.

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Quim Miralles — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:00:22 GMT

adios windows

BIENVENIDO LINUX

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Fernando D. Bozzo — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:19:36 GMT

Sorry for the question, but.. why?

Is there a good motive? Which one?

Is this just "Good night and good luck"? Just it?

MS is loosing the respect of users with things like this.

Adiós al FoxPro

.NET a 2.860 m de altura — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:37:35 GMT

Parece que esta es la semana de las despedidas: después de mi adiós personal al Windows

Con mucha pena, adios FOXPRO

El Espacio Digital — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:18:38 GMT

Microsoft ha anunciado que no habrá más FoxPro. Bueno, no tan drástico: en unos pocos meses saldrá un service pack de Visual FoxPro 9 y el soporte activo durará hasta el 2015, pero Sedna ( ...

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Ricardo De Castro — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:33:45 GMT

These are really very bad news to this whole great community of programmers that continue loving and using this excellent development tool. Personally, I am truly disappointed. This is a dark day.

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Grady — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:09:10 GMT

If you are dropping VFP then you see no value in it's future. If it has no value, can I have the source code?

VFP is handsdown, the best development platform I have ever used. I'm sure it can be adjusted to fit any future OS. I have to ask, what prompted your decision to destroy it?

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Marlon Cabrera — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:30:06 GMT

Sin VFP no veré razón para seguir desarrollando en Windows, tendre que comenzar a buscar las herramientas en Linux que trabajen parecido a VFP que por ahí he escuchado que existe varias. Y es que VFP es una herramientas que ofrece prestaciones y facilidades magnificas a un precio accequible para nosotros los de abajo del Rio, siendo así ni modo a acostumbrame a Linux for Human Beings!.

Marlon

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Ko Wisse — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:40:14 GMT

It's sad to see Microsoft is killing VFP.

It's a great tool with a very nice data structure.

For me, fox is still alive

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Fernando Puyuelo Ossorio — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:12:52 GMT

One thing more.

After all of this years fighting for foxpro i think we us deserve an explanation and not only a cold news like this one.

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PSaille — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:25:05 GMT

Merde !!!!

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Frederick — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:29:22 GMT

Je,

the future is Vista + .NET??? jeje, good bye microsoft!!!!

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Luis Quezada — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:42:36 GMT

He desarrollado en diferentes lenguajes de programacion incluyendo Java, Visual basic, Visual C++ y lejos lo mejor es visual foxpro, realmente es una pena que Microsoft baje a unos de sus mejores productos.

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Pedro Hernández — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:16:37 GMT

For microsoft

The best way to say or to probe that one language is better than another one is not killing it, do it better .net

Open the source of Visual Foxpro and you will know the true.

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Alessandro Gois — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:30:46 GMT

.NET will never be able to beat Java (period)

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klq — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:31:26 GMT

Es la peor noticia que me han dado hoy, de todas maneras si queda fuera Foxpro, tambien dejaré fuera a windows en mis aplicaciones futuras,en mi clientes y orientaré a mis alumnos a buscar otras alternativas que no sea microsoft.

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Fritz Maurhofer — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:51:55 GMT

Is it a business decision? Probably, but then we deserve an explanation.

It is a wise decision? I don't think so.

As allready said: if VFP is no more value for M$, hand it over to the community. I guess it would be a more vital FoxPro than ever!

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Reinke Jeferson — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:08:05 GMT

Lamentável essa decisão mas ja era previsto com o surgimento do .Net agora mais do que nunca Java la vou eu !!!

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Antonio Fabiani — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:18:07 GMT

Mi pregunta?, que pasara ahora, resulta que ahora damos la razon a los que dijeron que todo lo malo desaparece, idea que no comparto, pues vengo desarrolando en vfp desde hace mucho tiempo y tengo variadas aplicaciones, muchas de las cuales estan en vfp 5 y vfp 6, la verdad el vfp me parece una excelente herramienta de desarrollo, que pena, esperemos que sucede con el tiempo

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SteveR — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:21:21 GMT

Sad day for the Fox Faithful.

If VFP were open source, the community would keep it alive and well. It's safe to assume that Microsoft would NOT allow this. VFP has lots of valuable IP and it is strong competition to MS other products.

After 15 years of FoxPro development, I will now switch my clients to another platform and Microsoft is NOT the front runner (Flex, Java, and Python are vying for the top spot).

FoxPro is one of the last products to lock my clients in to the Windows OS. Change is in that air.

Thank you Microsoft for a truly great product and equal anger at your dropping it.

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Vincent J — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:47:09 GMT

Como ?...en que se baso MS para tomar esta decision?...desgraciadamente MS no tomo en cuenta a la comunidad foxera que hay en todo el mundo, que falta de seriedad...no cabe duda MS nos vende un producto 'temporal' ...es cierto comparto la misma opinion de varios de este blog...ya no voy a desarrollar en ambiente windows...buscare Linux...ahi te voy....

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Kir — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:49:16 GMT

Vamos, camaradas, que pasa, para 2015 falta mucho, de aqui a alla habra alguna otra herramienta que nos proporcione una total satisfaccion como lo hace Vfp. No se preocupen.

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Ted Roche — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:48:12 GMT

Sad day, YAG. Being the bearer of bad news can't be fun. But it was a heck of a run. Had a blast, got the T-shirt, remember the jello shots and the chair races.

Besides, FoxProX was already taken.

Best of luck with future ventures.

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RF — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:55:53 GMT

Realmente es momento de migrar a Linux, una de las mejores herramientas por la que estuve quedandome con MS era VFP, pero ahora.... Ummmmm.... pena por ellos que dejaron ir una de las mejores herramientas que tenian.

Lo bueno es que ya existen varias herramientas XBASE que corren sobre linux y se pueden migrar facilmente nuestros proyectos de VFP.

RF.

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Dantv — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:30:13 GMT

Microsoft has lost its mind lately!

The only reason left to use a Microsoft OS in small business was Visual Foxpro....Now I have to find a new development environment for my customers apps and guess what, it won't be the .Net framework...

Funny, for the first time in 15 years it all coming together that a change is necessary...This foxpro news is the final straw...Time for Linux and Realbasic for apps development.

It's kind of sad, cause I loved Microsoft products in the past but now its time to switch...Take care...

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nelson — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:34:42 GMT

Dear Vfp Team:

We're ur devotedly user, As I know,vfp is best program for database,no one else.

If Micorsoft give it up,I strongly suggest u to leave MicroSoft Co. And form the other Company to against MicroSoft this monster,U'll be a winner.

Because vb.net,c# there're stupid tool for database,programmer've spend a lot of time just can do vfp 's a tiny job.

Vfp inherit from Dbase series,Because it's really handsdown ,that's why it so popular for us.

I strongly suggest u again, leave MicroSoft Co. and form a company ,taking over these mark , u'll get a huge benefit from this application. Because there're a lot of pepole need it.

ps: Just Change a name,Like clipper -> foxpro-> visual foxpro.

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masteraux — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:12:28 GMT

no hay nadie que compre el fox team ?

seria una oportunidad para que vuelva a ser como fue el foxbase

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Pepe Llopis — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:55:33 GMT

Es un momento triste, una decisión de negocio que entiendo pero no comparto en absoluto pues todavia hay una enorme base de desarrolladores Fox en el mundo.

¿que cada vez iba a menos? claro, el producto se ha puesto debajo de la alfombra, casi con vergüenza, con el pudor de una señorita decimonónica !que no digan que somos unos carcas por apoyar Fox!

Eso si, quiero una alternativa y lo que hay no me vale.

Microsoft ¿que alternativa me das para mis desarrollos? ¿que hago con mi código que he desarrollado durante muchos años?

Pepe Llopis

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Kenneth Tamayo — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:43:36 GMT

It's not a good day today. Microsoft has made a mistake in here.

Time to start looking a LINUX as the alternative OS.

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Pablo Roca — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:33:34 GMT

Sad, but expected news.

I think is a wrong move done by Microsoft. There is a need to have alternatives to .NET inside MS, cause they can give another point of view.

Why LINQ is already to ship? Cause the VFP Team different point of view.

Stay joined with all the worldwide VFP community.

At http://www.portalfox.com we will continue with VFP and future moves will be discussed there.

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Stefis — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:29:22 GMT

Shame on Microsoft!

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Arnon Rotem-Gal-Oz — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:35:52 GMT

While I haven't used Foxpro for quite some time now, it was still sad to hear it is being dropped.

I am still to attend a conference that is more fun than a foxpro devcon :)

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Julio Rodríguez San José — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:34:41 GMT

Hay muchas incognitas:

¿Cual es la posición del Dr. David Fulton? pues están matando a la niña de sus ojos

¿Hay posibilidad de coger el desarrollo y pasarlo a licencia GPL ? Porque me imagino que habrá un montón de gente que querrá continuar con el desarrollo de esta herramienta

Es nuestra responsabilidad, ya que microsoft no la tiene la de continuar y hacer avanzar a esta herramienta que ha demostrado durante muchos años todo lo que vale.

Un saludo a todos los que aman y respetan Visual Fox

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roka — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:33:55 GMT

Algunos son mas peligrosos muertos que vivos, y algunos venden mas muertos que en vida, y algunos aumentan

el valor de su obra despues de su muerte, creo que los open source serán los únicos beneficiados, por eso es que linux rock's

mistake.... big mistake......

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Walter Valle — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:54:10 GMT

Estoy muy molesto con esta noticia, en todo caso no me vengan con la "pildora" que VFP estaba tan maduro como para descontinuarlo. Faltaron muchas cosas, asi lo dice el WishList del Wiki, hacer que corra en plataformas moviles etc. Simplemente es cuestion de dinero que a MS creo que no le hace mucha falta o ¿si?

Comento algunas cosas en mi blog.

Realmente estoy muy molesto...

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cobra — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:21:50 GMT

Let's face it, not enough MS decision makers understand the elegance and power of VFP in real world applications. Too many Visual Basic Kool-Aid drinkers.

This is a big mistake.

The pricing structure of Vista makes Linix very attractive. With this announcement it looks even better.

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Patrick Walling — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 06:42:50 GMT

We've seen it coming since the day Microsoft bought Fox. They haven't been able to build anything better, so they're eliminating it altogether. I've moved on to Java, but Fox was my life for almost 20 years. Every version, every platform. It deserved better than this. The Fox developers around the world deserve better than this.

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Eric Lendvai — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:16:38 GMT

As the president of our local FoxPro user group, and a veteran in FoxPro (Started with FoxPro 1.0), this news is quite upsetting. Microsoft already failed once to support FoxPro 2.6 (constant crashed on Windows 9x – Fast CPUs), and now is trying to kill new development in Visual FoxPro 9. In all my years of experience, I rarely found any developers more skilled than VFP programmers. The richness of the language and OOP environment made this language unbeatable. Guess what, after writing a few millions lines of code, would you want to gamble on MS, or choose an open source environment like Python or even Java? Unless MS can reassure its VFP developers by going open source, and soon, we will switch to a language that does not require to run on Windows ...

If MS is worried to show some secrets about its data technology ...MySQL, and even better PostreSQL, are already open source, and cross platform. By the way, Python has a JIT compiler for Windows!

ISV using FoxPro - no more new versions - but Codeplex to the rescue

Eric Nelson - Development for .NET Framework 3.0 for ISVs — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:50:35 GMT

We have some very successful ISVs in the UK using ... drum roll... Foxpro very successfully. I spotted

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George — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:48:16 GMT

No more VFP? No more clients with Windows. VFP on Windows was choice #1, but Linux platform was #2. Looks like it will now be #1. What a huge mistake MS.

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xmeele — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:41:58 GMT

Hay cosas que desaparecen (no sin dolor y me lo van adecir a mi, mejor no sigo con eso) pero vamos que si algo muere algo nace, somos una gran comunidad es más tenemos ya codigo de xbase con ides y todo en open source, por que no unirlo con lo que dice el Sr. Levy (o como se llamáse el jefe del equipo de desarrolo de VFP en Microsoft) que se publicará el 100% del SEDNA en codeplex pues si eso pasa podriamos hacer algo para inciar un xVFP Open, haciendo lo que siempre hicimos tomando lo mejor de los codigos de otros, mejorandolo, aprendiendo y creando nuevos para luego aplicarlo a nuestros propios desarrollos.

Los programadores en VFP no hemos sufrido mucho en el transcurso del tiempo comparandonos con los VB que si cambiaron de BASIC a VB y de allí VB .NET y de eso a VB 2005 (no me vengan con que fue un cambio mínimo lo diré yo que me mande a actualizar sistemas de VB 6 con sql server a VB 2005 con sql server 2005).

Ahora tenemos una obligacion si amamos este LP (VFP por si las dudas jejeje):

1. Esperar a que se libere el SEDNA en codeplex

2. Crear una comunidad que tome ese codigo y unirlo a desarrollos de xBase que existen (no CREO que el xBase se haya distanciado mucho de VFP y va un "creo" en mayusculas por que no conosco las alternativas open de xbase)

3 Aportar nuevas ideas y codigo a ese proyecto nuevo.

Lo que no podemos pedir (al menos hasta el 2015) es que Microsoft ponga como open el 100% del código de VFP ya que va a darle soporte hasta ese año.

No podemos esperar que aún existiendo una herramienta open de VFP (en el supuesto que el proyecto que imagine en mi punto 2 sea realidad) viva sola, no, tenemos que aportar codigo, para eso debemos de dejar de pensar que tenemos un papá que hace el IDE, el compilador y todo lo de más. Acaso creen que java/linux vive así pues no mis queridos amigos ellos viven de programadores como nosotros que sacrifican parte de su tiempo que deverían usar en producir para ganar dinero (desarrollar software, estar con los hijos, la familia, irse de parranda) lo usan (o mal pierden para algunos) en aportar a la comunidad creando cosas que les van a servir a otros que sí ganarán con lo que ellos hacen y ¿porque lo hacen? pues por que aman su herramienta (claro esta el prestigio y el orgullo nadie se los va a quitar) pero de eso se trata de amar una herramienta, de darle algo por nada, solo por que viva si estan dispuestos a hacer eso pues vamos adelante, sino pues dejemos que muera VFP con dignidad y no hagamos que muera suplicando.

Por mi parte no muerdo la mano que me da de comer (Microsoft) nunca dire nada malo de esa empresa solo por que dejó de hacer mi herramienta favorita (recuerden que si VFP muere es por que no es un producto que de ganancias solo por eso y nada mas; de quien creen que es la culpa que no se venda sino de sus usuarios y programadores.)

En lo personal mi futuro es .NET es claro sigo con Microsoft, si el proyecto de crear un VFP Open anda estaré de primero aportando (que para lideres existen muchos que son mejores y saben más que yo), nuca dejé ni dejaré de lado el OpenSource (odio JAVA como odio el Champán, no por malo solo que no me gusta) prefiero C#, recuerden Microsoft no vende los compiladores solo vende el entorno de desarrollo (IDE) todo queda en nuestras manos.

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Nane — Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:30:55 GMT

Que tristeza!!! Una más de Microsoft... y van ....

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eduardo caro — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:18:29 GMT

la empresa microsoft se ve muy informal en tomar esta desicion, con un lenguaje que tiene muchas ventajas, tantas que lo quieren emular desde su incio, ahora se comenta que los lenguajes c##, visual basic deben de tener un entorno que facilite el manejo de base de datos, VFP ya lo tiene desde hace mucho, no entiendo, como en la mayoria de las cosas, cuando se pierden se valoran mas. Que seria de nosotros si el Team de VFP lo toma ADOBE. Imaginesen...Nadie nos detendria...

Nada corre mas que un Zorro...

Sugerencia Microsoft es una empresa, que debe de tomar sugerencias, mandarle correos a microsoft, mostrando un que su arquitecto esta tomando una mala desicion, Yair Alan Griver. Ya que VFP por mucho es un herramienta optima para el desarrollo, y con esto esta tumbando el desarrollo de muchas empresas, que creen en microsoft.

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Ricardo — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:35:18 GMT

Estoy bastante molesto con la medida tomada por Microsoft.

Obviamente esta claro que a esta empresa nunca le intereso Vfox, creo que se mantuvo y se fue actualizando por los muchos programadores que existimos en el mundo.

Si fuera por ellos la hubieran 'matado' hace mucho tiempo para apoyar programas mediocres como el Visua Basic.

Para mi Vfox, ademas de ser una de las mejores herramientas de desarrollo era el motivo principal por la que trabajaba con Sistemas Operativos Windows. Opino como mucha gente de aca, a partir de ahora sera el momento de buscar horizontes a traves de Linux. Ojala Microsoft se de cuenta que a dejado a mucha gente sin alternativas, porque hoy las que me ofrece no llegan a satisfacerme como lo hace Vfox.

Parece que esta vez Microsoft lograra su cometido de 'esconder' VFox para el mundo informatico.

Un saludo para todos los Foxeros del mundo y aguante el Fox!!!

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Pablo Roca — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:24:22 GMT

Due to request by the spanish community we opened a Wiki pages for discussiong future development environments and doing the MasFoxPro campaign.

The campaign is located here:

http://wiki.portalfox.com/masfoxpro

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Oscar Portorreal — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:03:09 GMT

Ok, Microsoft if you want I'll learn and I'll buy .Net, but please,

think keep on VFP.

Santo Domingo, Domincan Republic

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Rocco Di Chiara — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:37:42 GMT

Es una noticia irresponsable. Debieron pensar bien como le darían la noticia al gremio.

Ahora resulta que contamos con herramientas desarrolladas en vfox muy potentes y competentes, pero no lo podemos vender, ya que los clientes, al averiguar que están desarrolladas en vfox, ya no los quieren.

Si fueran inteligentes, y respetaran a sus clientes, hubieran buscado una salida que nos beneficiara a todos.

Rocco Di Chiara

Guatemala

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Franklin GarzÃƒÂ³n — Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:28:18 GMT

It is incredible, VFP is not only the community, VFP is also companies. Institutions, countries, banks, cooperative societies, farmers, shipping and companies of development.

I suggest that there is VFP there is given him support extended from the new one SP2.

If all and especially MS would rest in order that they buy VFP's legal licenses, the utilities for sale of licenses it would be great more.

In our company we are for losing 8 licitations for an approximate value of 280.000 dollars, all with VFP9 and SQL2005.

Please continue with VFP, or do it in such a way that VFP adopts .Net.

Since they will see all we are looking for other alternatives in other platforms and in the personal thing I do not want that it passes, want to continue with MS, but you us are forcing.

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Jesus Garza — Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:44:41 GMT

me uno a todos los compañeros de VFP, para que siga

saludos,

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Carlos Tapia — Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:37:14 GMT

I think we should ask Microsoft to make VFP open source, it´s de better way to keep VFP alive, and we have to start thinking about open source tools like java, cause this Microsoft politics will never change, it´s all to push us to use .NET.

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Manel Berbis Alvarez — Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:31:40 GMT

Do u have any idea about how many developers and enterprises are using VFP now? This decision will be a disaster for everybody, including MS. I think isn't a good idea...

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Oskar Syahbana — Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:00:31 GMT

One of my course work that I teach use VFP, I guess we won't be using it anymore next year. .NET might not be an option (who will guarantee that MS won't halt development of that platform like this one?).

I'll definitely take a look at Java or other OOP language

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nelson — Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:59:37 GMT

Oscar:

Microsoft stop the vfp ,the reason is not only we didn't buy .net,The truely reason is the vfp is good enough to stop pepole buying .net product.

Did anyone think about it ,had u bought vfp 3.0 , after then u bought vfp 5.0,vfp 6.0 ...vfp 9.0 Or when u bought vfp 6.0 ,will u buy 7.0,8.0,9.0?

Why ? Because the vfp is good enough ,when 3.0 publish,

user's skill didn't need change too much,still can develop excellent program,So we didn't need to buy the new version,even change the skill(just like cooking food ,Had anyone need to learning new skill totally every 2 years ?)

Just take a look Visual Stupid Oooo 2003~2005.(What a nightmare?)

That cause vfp had a bad selling maket.(and otherway :priracy) So if MS. have a bad selling product,and still pay salary to vfp's team,That's a bad ideal,the best way just kill it.

If the product stop,user should change to .net ,and they will buy .net(Manchurian said :One stone got 2 birds )

Why not ?Just let vfp die,Microsoft didn't care about what user need ?Microsoft just want to make a product:if new version release,U should buy,And U have to,Because the new version didn't souport old version,or the old version is difficult to use,So the best way is updategrade to new version And buy it quickly,Wow it's a big maket.

Finally,U sould say :Ok,MicroSoft ,please don't stop vfp,

We will pay money to buy it ,When U release new version each time.Don't threaten us,Please.....(begging.....)

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Antonio Muñoz de Burgos y Caravaca — Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:28:11 GMT

Realmente es increible, sin palabras :-(

It is really incredible, without words :-(

Il est vraiment incroyable, sans mots :-(

Es ist, ohne Wörter wirklich unglaublich :-(

È realmente incredibile, senza parole :-(

É realmente incredible, sem palavras :-(

Это действительно невероятно, без слов:-(

그것은 낱말 없이 진짜로 믿을 수 없다, :-(

真是不可思议,无字 :-(

ومن لا يصدق حقا دون الكلمات :-(

それは単語なしで実際に信じられないい、 :-(

The campaign is located here:

http://wiki.portalfox.com/masfoxpro

You can kill a thousand; you can bring an end to life you cannot kill an idea.

Shimon Peres (1923), Israel politician

(On March 24, 1980, Archbishop Óscar Romero was assasinated)

by eMans

Manifestando el apoyo a la comunidad de Visual FoxPro.

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Adrian Hernandez — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:03:51 GMT

It's a terrible notice. There's something I can't understand... Is it based only on money or supported on a carefuly study about the implications.

Since 2001 lots of my clients claim to change their systems to Linux. The only obstacle: my apps are writen in VFP. They prefer to stay with MS just for VFP apps!!!

With .NET we can get weak tools, low performance and lot of troubles... Any other plus?? Are u trying to kill database apps?

The ONLY professional tool from MS IS VFP!!! I want you to try compare a 16 million record table versus a 25 million record table with a PIII computer in Access... Just imposible...

I hope MS thinks twice about the subject.

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Edelmiro González — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:08:07 GMT

Yag, I don't understand why Microsoft kill Visual Foxpro.

This is the best tool that have your company.

If Microsoft think that .Net is better language that Visual Foxpro.

Microsoft have a big big mistake.

The product more important for Microsoft is Windows. All developes of Visual Fox make the programs for Windows.

What think Steve Ballmer about this. Mister Developers, Developers, Developers...

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CESAR ST — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:51:21 GMT

Sin VFP para mi no va mas Windows.

Yo solo espero que la campaña de MASFOXPRO de resultados, realmente espero que Micro$oft recapacite o de lo contrario que VENDA Fox a otra empresa.

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JOSE MANRIQUE — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:03:24 GMT

Hola amigos. Tengo 15 años programando en foxpro, antes lo hice en clipper, dbase, quicbasic.

Ahora hice un programa en visual basic.net con mysql y les digo con propiedad que este lenguaje no le da ni por los pies a vfp. Hasta las consultas sql son mas lentas. Trabajar con datagrid es un dolor de cabeza. Al copiar objetos no se trae los procedimientos. No rinde el tiempo. Total lo bote a la basura.

Seguire mis proyectos con vfp y esperare a ver que pasa, o lo liberan como open source o aparece otra herramienta (lo mas seguro) que clonara las capacidades del mejor RDA.

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Fox74 — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:28:53 GMT

Quel client voudra utiliser Visual-FoxPro pour développer une nouvelle application ?

Quel client ne se sentira pas contraint de réécrire ses applications Visual-FoxPro, dans un langage défendu par son éditeur.

Merci Microsoft ! ;-(((

re: Message to the VFP Community

Basicos — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:39:06 GMT

Ya puse unas letras en el wiki sobre Autoit.

http://www.masfoxpro.com/Alternativas_a_Visual_FoxPro

Autoit ha sido mi balsa salva vidas desde el desastre de los que compraron el Clipper, del desastre de la migración del Vb6 a .Net ... Es una mxerdx que despues de monton de años dejando el tiempo con un lenguaje te "obliguen a cambiar todo", ahora creo que he dado con el blanco, hace unos 3 años cuando deje y migre los vb6 a Autoit.

Bueno que os sea leves y por supuesto esto es un tema de supervivencia y adaptación, siempre habra los que elijan cualquier opción la cosa es:

Cual es la mejor opción,

Ver un articulo que hice basandome en lo último cientificamente hablando de resolución de problemas: http://www.emesn.com/autoitwp

Espero que entiendan que no hay ninguna solución maravillosa sino que hay una solución adaptativa para cada persona dependiendo del problema particular.

Mi mas sincero apoyo a la comunidad de la que estuve en un tris de pertenecer, aunque yo me decidí por el Vb5/6, xq me pensé q tenía más futuro y más soporte, y que MS apostaba por ella, por lo menos como creo q todos estaban en el mismo cruce de caminos, por lo menos os doy un alivio, de que si hubierais elegido VB, también sería erroneo, porq yo tambien fui engañado, porque efectivamente estas apps en Vb6 no me funcionaron bien en .NET. Al fin mandé .Net al cuerno y opté por Autoit ;).

Suerte y al toro ...

USE ellenguajequesea index soporte.ntx,opcion.ntx,facilidad.ntx,rapidez.ntx,web.ntx

reindex

re: Message to the VFP Community

BasicOs — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:42:04 GMT

Link autoit español www.emesn.com/autoitforum

Yo tambien siento lo que pasó pero me parece que los de VFP, no os disteis cuenta que MS nunca tuvo ningún interés real en Fox, yo por eso opte desde dbase/clipper/ , sin embargo, al Visual Basic, pero ya en la versión 6 me di cuenta que también era un engaño ya que mis programas en vb6 no trabajaban bien en la versión siguiente, .NET.

re: Message to the VFP Community

Mihai Petrescu — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:37:43 GMT

Microsoft don't care about programmers. Microsoft don't care about the investition that were made in FoxPro. Actually, Microsoft don't care about people. Microsoft care about money.

re: Message to the VFP Community

Luis Velarde — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:52:02 GMT

I use a Mac at home, Linux, mysql and php for a big part of my work, VFP was the only reason I still use a windows machine. I use VFP since 1991, maybe it's time to retair. Life goes on.

re: Message to the VFP Community

Fabiano — Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:11:02 GMT

NO more VFP? Then:

http://www.foxpro-or-java-but-never.net/

re: Message to the VFP Community

Ken Murphy — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 04:58:18 GMT

The decision to cease further development of VFP is one that I believe Microsoft, and especially, the SQL server division will come to regret. I develop database apps for charities, and it has been my experience that most of these charities eventually move to a SQL server back end. I would suggest that the same is true of many small businesses. VFP is a fantastic language for developing entry level database apps for small to medium businesses. The power and speed of VFP allows people like me to develop tools for these smaller organizations that allow them to grow. Evenutally, they outgrow the VFP back end and typically move to a SQL solution. If SQL were a major league baseball team, VFP would be their farm team. I wonder how many major league teams would succeed if they were to get rid of all their farm teams?

re: Message to the VFP Community

CesarST — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 05:03:03 GMT

www.masfoxpro.com

Se que con VFP 9 tenemos como para 15 años más. Pero no queremos ver morir al zorro. De alguna manera tenemos que hacer entrar en razón a Microsoft y lograr que continuen desarrollandolo.

Definitivamente no iremos a .NET. VFP o Java/Linux

re: Message to the VFP Community

Geovanni Solis Perez — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 06:50:38 GMT

¿Por que? Una herramienta tan valiosa es dejada en el olvido...., yo por mi parte he pensado en que si Microsoft hasta el momento no ha podido emular una herramienta parecida tendré que buscar algún programa de un proveedor que realmente si sea confiable y que piense que la continuidad es importante por lo que seguramente migraré a algo con código abierto como LINUX o algo así, actualmente tengo a mi cargo varias empresas que migrarían y dejarían de comprar Windows, es eso lo que quiere Microsoft? No lo se, lo que se es que VFP no debe morir ...

Traducción Automática:

Why? Such a valuable tool is left in the forgetfulness...., have I for my part thought in that if Microsoft until the moment has not been able to emulate a similar tool I will have to look for some program of a supplier that really if it is reliable and that she/he thinks that the continuity is important for that that surely change to something with open code as LINUX or something like that, at the moment I am responsible for that change and would they stop to buy Windows, is that what Microsoft wants? Not him you, what is been that VFP should not die...

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Ivan Alvarez — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:26:50 GMT

Que lamentable situacion, la verdad, sencillamente el que .net siga requiriendo de muchos recursos y siendo lento, ha sido un crecimiento enorme de foxpro, pero bueno tienen que cuidar sus nuevos productos, yo me voy a powerbuilder.

re: Message to the VFP Community

Hans — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:07:04 GMT

I see no reason for this blunt 'we stop VFP' statement.

VFP surely wasn't a money maker on its own (with a good help by MS in almost contra-marketing the product). But what would that 'low level' continuation have cost? Not that much I think. And it was enough to avoid a lot of troubles for a lot of people. VFP is a mature product in a world where the 'latest and gratest' doesn't count. For example: why do I see all these 'Pakistan/India/wherever they are from' developers picking up on VFP? Because surely there are no shiploads of 2Gb Core2Duo machines over there.

And there are many niche markets in which VFP is a sure choice when development time is limited, caused by the small number of times you can sell the product. Plenty of 1-4 person development teams making a living out of that (and these smaller numbers must add up and are all buying into Windows and Office).

What also became so clear to me, is the understanding that MS can quit on something with such a limited view of their responsibility as a supplier in this world. Which makes the open source alternative a natural direction in the T-joint MS has welded (which is really odd for me to say having build a 20 year career out of MS products).

Things like this will have a bigger impact then MS realises: I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking this way. Do the math... that's where the real loss will be.

re: Message to the VFP Community

Jorge Severini — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:01:05 GMT

M$ drop VFP, I drop M$.

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IonLitio — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:13:48 GMT

Mis queridos amigos de Microsoft... yo entiendo que quieran sacar de circulación a VFP porque no les reditúa economicamente como las soluciones hechas en .NET y SQL, pero se justica dejar a MILES de programadores a la deriva??? esta bién... nos dan hasta el 2015 para que aprendamos otro lenguaje (UDS quieren que aprendamos .NET) y migremos nuestras aplicaciones...

Pero realmente creen que se van a migrar el 100% de los programadores??? yo creo que una minoria se quedarán con UDS, pero el resto ofendidos por su accion se migraran a otra plataforma, talvez open source, talvez no, pero creo que perderán mas de lo que ganarán.

Yo por ni parte buscare diferentes altenativas, pero seguiré con mi querido zorro hasta que no le quede un solo aliento en su cuerpo peludo. Estudiaré .NET, java, Python, PHP, MySQL, SQL, Perl, C#, C++, etc etc. De esta forma no me quedaré en la historia, porque vivo de la programación y adoro jugar a ser DIOS con las computadoras. Pero definitivavente microsoft no será mi caballo de batalla.

Atte, Diego "IonLitio" Abratte.

Ahora a mis amogos/as reales y colegas programadores...

Como dije una vez en el foro de Mundo Visual FoxPro, "Manten a tus amigos cerca, pero manten a tus enemigos mas cerca aun".

Tengamos en cuenta que el mercado laboral, por estar dentro de el monopolio de Microsoft, busca programadores en leguajes de esta companía, por ende opino que no nos tenemos que desligarnos totalmente de M$. Ya que esto nos puede llegar a dar de comer en alguan situacion de nuestras vidas.

Mis amigos/as y colegas, aprendamos nuevas tecnologías, crezcamos profecionalmente, que todo el mundo sepa cuanto sabemos de programación, que si necesitan un sistemita de facturacion sencillo o el mas complejo sistema de gestion industrial, recurran a nosotros porque manejamos un monton de herramientas poderosas, como manejamos nuestra bicicleta, seamos los mejores. PERO ADEMÁS SEAMOS HUMILDES, SINCEROS Y AGRADECIDOS; APOLLEMOS A ESTA HERRAMIENTA QUE NOS DIO TANTAS SATISFACCIONES Y NOS HIZO CRECER MUCHISIMO !!!!

NADA CORRE COMO UN ZORRO...¡¡¡NADA!!!

re: Message to the VFP Community

Guillermo Garcia de Argentina — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 16:28:37 GMT

Hay cosas que no teinen una explicacion racional:

Una de las mejores herramientas que ha sacado MS al mercado y de la cual viven, disfrutan y trabajan miles de personas en todo el mundo, y que la discontinuen...

Para muchos de nosotros ya forma parte de nuestra vida, es el caso de mis hijos que hace mas de 15 años que trabajan con Fox...

Es como si nos sacaran parte de nosotros...

re: Message to the VFP Community

María López — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:51:02 GMT

Siento mucho que se acabe foxpro. Lo considero una buena herramienta de trabajo y es una lástima que no exista continuidad.

No entiendo como microsoft incentiva a otras compañías a que saquen versiones de sus lenguajes en .Net y Microsoft se carge a VFP en vez de migrarlo a .Net

re: Message to the VFP Community

Walter Valle — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:00:19 GMT

VisualFoxPro LIVE!, don't kill my zorro!!! NADA CORRE COMO EL ZORRO !!!

re: Message to the VFP Community

Mario Cerón Charry — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:33:35 GMT

VFP is one of the most powerfull development tools!!

re: Message to the VFP Community

JAMES HENNESSEE — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:43:01 GMT

THE WORLD IS BESET BY FANATICS BENT UPON DESTROYING THAT WHICH IS GOOD. IT IS VERY SAD THAT MICROSOFT APPEARS TO HAVE JOINED THEM.

re: Message to the VFP Community

Renier — Sun, 01 Apr 2007 00:30:07 GMT

Colegas, no debemos permitir que VFP se extinga, que mejor entorno para hacer sistemas para Windows, a un buen precio y que sea liviano como fox?, no lo podemos permitir!!!

http://www.masfoxpro.com/

re: Message to the VFP Community

Luigi — Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:26:17 GMT

Yo empecé hace un año a incursionar en python, previendo esto pero no pensé que fuera tan pronto. Trabajo con Mac OS y Linux, y VFP fue la única razón para mantenerme con Windows. No me interesa permanecer con la incertidumbre y dependencia de MS.

re: Message to the VFP Community

Jan Werk — Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:12:12 GMT

So, we have to look for a new developing system - OK

In this moment, I think it is best to leave MS at all.

adios windows

adios Office

BIENVENIDO LINUX

BIENVENIDO OPEN OFFICE

re: Message to the VFP Community

Miguel Crao — Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:49:32 GMT

Que liebren el còdigo o s elo regalen a Linux... ellos si lo van a perfeccionar y nuestro zooro seguirrìa vivito....

re: Message to the VFP Community

Charles Benzon — Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:00:59 GMT

No es posible, no pueden hacer eso...

FoxPro es lo mejor.

re: Message to the VFP Community

Daniel Onofri — Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:06:28 GMT

La investigación y la dedicación invertida para ser experto en un lenguaje de programación no puede ser ignorada por una empresa que se ha enriquecido con la venta del mismo.

Que pasaría si Microsoft dejara de prestar soporte a Windows CE cuando éste controlase cientos de miles o millones de dipositivos de los que dependan la vida de personas.....

La excusa sería : YA NO ES RENTABLE?

Me gustaría saber cual es la razón por la cual Microsoft compró FOX....

Quizá para eliminar una competencia contra la cual no estaba en condiciones de competir ?

Sun microsystems parace ser una de las pocas organizaciones que respeta a los usuarios de sus productos.

Las empresas deben ser dignas de la confianza de sus clientes y asociados.

re: Message to the VFP Community

Luis Rivera — Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:12:58 GMT

Yo creo que Microsoft mato al foxpro porque era una FUERTE COMPETENCIA contra su .net que no sirve ni como virus.

Es la mejor herramienta porque tiene todo incluido y no necesita herramientas de terceros para que funcione; tiene reporteador, base de datos, generador de formularios, linea de comandos, y todo a la velocidad del rayo.

Supongo que tambien por eso lo quiere matar porque como el foxpro es rapido, ellos quieren que vaya a la velocidad de su windows vista osea lento :S entonces para eso mejor usan .net que es mas lento que una pentium 1 !!!!!!!

re: Message to the VFP Community

Michel Levy — Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:52:30 GMT

Sorry guys,

did you ever think that some does'nt speak Spanish?

I'm a french VFP developper, and it seems to me that when you speak spanish here, you don't respect those who ignore your language.

Please, speak english, if you really want to send YOUR message to the whole VFP community.

re: Message to the VFP Community

Freddy García — Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:18:44 GMT

I am using VFP por several year, I use it with a framework (VisualFoxExpress) giving me a RAD tool, really great.

Microsoft should reconsider it's decision.

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Luigi — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 05:55:26 GMT

If this is the way MS treats one of his best products, what is the future for the others? The story can be repetead for the rest. I dont´ like this attitude.

re: Message to the VFP Community

Hernán Cano — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 09:25:22 GMT

Parece que "MS is loosing the respect of users with things like this."

********

Será que...¿Hay posibilidad de coger el desarrollo y pasarlo a licencia GPL/freware/OpenSorce/shared code? Porque me imagino que habrá un montón de gente que querrá continuar con el desarrollo de esta herramienta.

Es nuestra responsabilidad (ya que MS no la tiene) la de continuar y hacer avanzar a esta herramienta que ha demostrado durante muchos años todo lo que vale.

Saludos a todos los que aman y respetan FoxPro.

***********

Luce como un gran error de parte de MS. ("No more VFP? No more clients with Windows. VFP on Windows was choice #1, but Linux platform was #2. Looks like it will now be #1. What a huge mistake MS.")

***********

Hay cosas que desaparecen, pero sabemos que si algo muere, algo nace. Somos una gran comunidad; aportemos al código compartido de SEDNA en CodePlex, pues así podemos inciar "VFP Open Source" o "VFP-Shared Code", y hacemos lo que siempre hicemos: tomar lo mejor de los códigos de todos, lo mejoramos, aprendemos y creamos nuevas cosas para luego aplicarlo a nuestros propios desarrollos.

Los programadores en VFP no hemos sufrido comparándonos con los VB.

((ver www.utmag.com Marzo-2007 Les Pinter

Confessions of a VB.NET developer

http://www.utmag.com/ViewPageMainPage.aspx?Session=356D76704376375470594D3D204D7147535035564E75544B70393153325568553737773D3D

http://www.utmag.com/ViewPageArticle.aspx?Session=577245376C567162544B673D2051574A2B62506F71534F51353958526D53784D6344673D3D

))

Ahora tenemos una obligación si amamos este lenguaje:

1. Solicitemos que se libere el SEDNA en CodePlex.

2. Creemos una comunidad que tome ese código y compatibilizarlo a otros motores de xbase que existen (dBase, Xbase, FlagShip)

3. Aportar nuevas ideas y código a ese proyecto.

Aportemos código que amplíe las características actuales de FoxPro, sea que MS siga al frente o no. Habrá algunos programadores que pueden aportar al "núcleo" y habrá otros que aporten a la interfaz, y otros que aportarán para crear aplicaciones así nos dividiremos responsabilidades (delegación de funciones) de manera que podamos continuar viviendo nuestras vidas como se debe (con nuestras familias) sin tener que estar aprendiendo un nuevo lenguaje de programación. Así: aportando a la comunidad, creando cosas que les van a servir a otros, ganaremos todos, pues amamos esta herramienta.

Amigos: adelante!! No dejemos que muera VFP!!

No diré nada malo de esa empresa sólo por que "tiró por la papelera de reciclaje" mi herramienta favorita. Recuerden que si a VFP lo abandonan, es por que no es un producto que da las supuestas ganancias que da .NET: fíjense en los requerimientos de hardware ante la probable instalación de Visual Studio .NET -Visual C++, C#, SQL Server, IIS, Microsoft OutLook, OutLook 200#, FontPage, Windows Vista y sus licencias por cada computador como sistema operativo de cada máquina, las CAL -licencias por el sólo hecho de tener que conectarse a un servidor Windows-, el servidor es para un número limitado de usuarios conectados, ....,....,....).

Mi propuesta es optar por un "VFP Open Source" o "VFP-Shared Code"; estaré aportando, junto a otros que sean mejores y saben más que yo, y junto a los que quieran aprender. Siempre estaré también con el OpenSource, sea JAVA, Xbase, Linux, OpenOffice, y también con VFP-Free cuando "lo recibamos".

Hernán Cano

desde Medellín, Antioquia para Colombia y el mundo entero.

re: Message to the VFP Community

Cyril Joudieh — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:07:10 GMT

It's a shame what Microsoft is doing!!!

If I want to move to .Net platform, I have to be convinced to move there. I see .Net as a tool compared to scratching your left ear with your right hand. That goes for my tools.

Visual FoxPro is the answer to all my development needs. It's great. Its performance is impeccable. All my clients are happy with it.

With .Net, one has to acquire lots of libraries and tools. With FoxPro, they are developed very easily with the various functions available.

.Net is perfect for very large scale application.

Microsoft should really reconsider it's decision otherwise it's bad for them to lose many developers like me to other platforms or development tools.

If Microsoft fails to continue on FoxPro, we should build our own Visual FoxPro Live. :-)

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MenaceS — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:28:45 GMT

Everyone here understands that Microsofts drive to kill Foxpro is to push .Net with MS SQL as the back end engine down everyones throat. They are gambling that we as developers will not have a choice but to go this route. What they dont understand is that we alternatives in other products that work just as well with less overhead. Additionally they have not taken into account geometric progressions in spreading news.

Simply put, by telling everyone you know that .Net is unreliable and SQL Server is slow compared to other alternatives that run on multiple platforms you are insuring the .Net demise.

Also remember to have your friends push the message forward.

They may have taken Fox away but we can sure put a dent in .Net

MS - be more graceful next time and work with your PR people before letting Techs determine strategy.

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Richard7 — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 01:00:26 GMT

I'm also very sad that this is practical speaking the end of the road for our beloved Fox.

But also I'm curious and anxious about where to go now.

I don't see .NET with SQL Express as a replacement (just finished building some stored procedures and am halfway to the store to get more memory on top of my 1Gb...). Maybe people would like to do something else with their computer besides running your contact managment program...

So while I can understand IT-heads in their arguments that a .NET environment is easier to manage for a team of programmers, where does that leave us? Where's the flexibility to temporary solve 'strange' (never thought of that, honestly) situations by emailing a small exe on friday afternoon? And don't say it never happened to you ;-)

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Klm — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 01:22:11 GMT

About YAG

...

Alan is also responsible for the continued development of Visual FoxPro ...

!! patetic !!

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Joaquim Correia — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:35:53 GMT

Why?

I develop in VFP and in C#.

In C# it takes 2 months to do what you can do in VFP in 2 days.

Could this be the motive? Microsoft want us to spend more time with it's tools?

I don'w understand and can not acept that Microsoft try to kill it's best development tool by far.

Joaquim

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Russell Campbell — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:48:15 GMT

VFP is a powerful tool, one that threatens the M$ bottom line, so it must go. .NET is good in some ways, but not for everyone. Note that MS, in one of it's own comments about .NET, said "Orcas" - the next release of .NET - will "finally get serious about data." VFP has been serious about data for many years and it has allowed rapid application development without the overhead and complexity of .NET. But, again, VFP threatens the bottom line. Why would M$ want to sell you such a low-cost, powerful, and fast tool like VFP, when they could sell you .NET and SQL Server. You'll pay a whole lot more for the initial cost and for the development, due to the increased complexity. This is not a "meteor strike", however. Sedna is coming out and we have the VFPx and VFPy projects to extend the life of a great product.

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carlos alberto peña marquez — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:46:43 GMT

yo soy programador del visual foxpro desde que me inicie, y no se cual es el pretexto de desaparecer el visual foxpro, yo he invertido y muchas personas tambien invertimos en programar, y por mi parte me desempeño muy bien y todos mis sistemas esta bien utilizados por mis clientes, es una protesta que no debemos permitir

gracias

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Juan Martinez — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:07:15 GMT

Now I understand why most of my friends told me "Microsoft does't care about VFP" But how can be possible that a company does't care about all of programmers a applications built in tha wonderfull tools.

Microsost does not imaging the impact of that decisions. Imaging hoe many companies are running softwares built in VFP, imaging who many programmers will move to Linux plataforms, how many thirds softwares that use interface with programs built in vfp.

I consider that Microsoft must reconsider that decisions, because if it is true they don't have great revenue with VFP, not less true is that they will lost a lot of users, programmers, Operating System licences.

Microsoft. you must ADD NOT SUBSTRACT.

From the Dominican Republic.

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Fox Master — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:07:25 GMT

it would be a crime to get rid of foxpro. i love foxpro. ill say that again foxpro i love.

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Gilson da Silva Paula (from Brazil) — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:50:19 GMT

1 - We must process the M$ and ask for to indemnity for damageses, all together.

2 - We must abandon the products of the M$ and to leave for LINUX, certainly will have some company whom it will know to use to advantage this great chance in the market.

3 - The community must join itself for this cause.

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Fabio Vieira — Fri, 06 Apr 2007 04:17:34 GMT

I'm very upset! I'm feeling like an orphan.

We invest a lot of time and money to learn a magnificent tool like vfp and now m$ discard all our efforts. This is bad for our business, this is bad for vfp community worldwide and I think a lot of developers will migrate to something more reliable like java + linux when engaging new projects.

What a shame!

re: Message to the VFP Community

Michael Bickel — Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:14:58 GMT

so far i heard only cheap excuses from MS:

you can't sell it to a third party because your big customers wouldn't trust a tird party - but they trust a company who kills a product? whom did you ask?

you can't rewrite the code for VFP? but you could do it for VB, or?

You can not integrate it into .NET ? Others work on it and MS can not do it?

Like i said nothing but excuses - people are not so stupid as you think they would be.

.NET is neither a mature product nor usable as an replacement for Foxpro.

Greetings

Michael

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Rogerio — Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:14:48 GMT

Visual Fox Pro is the most productive and the best tool to database development essential feature in nowadays. It can´t to finish.

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Rui Nogueira — Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:17:52 GMT

Decididamente notícia negativa,a descontinuidade do Microsoft Visual FoxPro. Já colaborei no desenvolvimento de um projecto em VB.NET e não gostei. Vou ficar sem alternativas de ferramentas de programação Microsoft.

Tradução automática com retoques:

Decidedly negative notice, the discontinuity of the Visual Microsoft FoxPro. Already I collaborated in the development of a project in VB.NET and I did not like. I go to be without Microsoft alternatives developement tools.

re: Message to the VFP Community

Moisés Palanca (SPAIN) — Sun, 08 Apr 2007 04:44:15 GMT

Spain is a country that has a not big companys, the enterprises are very small.

For Administration use soft in VFP, is a very good tool for develop RAD.

Only want a solution, open the code source, put a licences price in the runtime of VFP, if Microsoft want money... but not deleted the best tool for RAD DATABASES.

Thank you.

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Ernesto — Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:45:29 GMT

Tenemos desarrollos en VFP para muchas compañias, las cuales aduieren licencias de Windows y SQL Server por nuestras soluciones en Foxpro, y todos nuestros clientes estàn satisfechos con nuestros desarrollos que cubren todas las àreas de producciòn de las mismas. Ahora pienso que apoyarè a las comunidades open, por ke .net, no le llega a los talones de VFP. aun tengo tiempo para buscar una mejor opcion Open.

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PETER — Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:29:36 GMT

FOX IS THE BEST RAD ENVIROMENT. I DON´T BELIVE FOX IS BE KILL

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Germán Alzueta — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:33:24 GMT

Are you crazy? it's a joke?

re: Message to the VFP Community

Stewart Crisler — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:42:17 GMT

FoxPro DOS 2.5 to VFP9.1 and everything in between. What an amazing story of language compatibility and feature growth. Thank you VFP team and Microsoft for the stewardship of the product.

I can accept that Microsoft has decided not to invest further in VFP. As a product, FoxPro represents a niche that will never have enough zeroes attached to it to matter in a multi-billion dollar company.

What I do strenuously object to are the currently announced plans for winding down VFP. Microsoft has always promised a way forward. The way forward that respects the tradition of this fine product and the developers and end users who continue to count on it like we count on electricity is to either completely open source the entire product or spin it off as an independent entity.

How you choose to wind down FoxPro will make a STRONG statement about Microsoft and how you view your obligation to developers and end users. Even those who have never written the first line of FoxPro code are interested and will take note.

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Antonio Ríos — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:24:11 GMT

No puedo creerlo, micro$oft ante la imposibilidad de que su "proyecto" .NET pueda igualar la estabilidad y el prestigio ganado con el tiempo del Visual Fox Pro, opta por la solución mas cobarle, abandonarlo.

Detrás del 'producto' VFP, hay miles de desarroyadores que ha confiado durante muchisimos años en micro$oft, miles de empresas con miles de ordenadores con sistemas operativos micro$oft, corriendo aplicaciones desarrolladas en VFP.

Señores de Micros$oft, deanme una alternativa convincente para seguir confiando en ustedes, yo a día de hoy no la tengo.

Nada corre como un zorro.

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Juan Inoa — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:22:04 GMT

Que lastima que Microsoft este pensando de esa manera!!!

parece que Microsoft Quieres que los programadores de Visual Foxpro se queden sin una herramienta tan buena como esta. Por que entre todos no le damos una leccion a Microsoft y emigramos a otra plataforma, esto ellos lo hacen para burlarse de nosotros y que le roguemos. Pero nada si ellos no quieren seguir con Foxpro, no podriamos nosotros desarrollar algo parecido al foxpro y seguir con nuevas versiones aunque sea en linux.

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Kenneth Tamayo — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:48:06 GMT

The best development tool in the market and Microsoft decides to kill it. This is a tragedy.

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Eduardo — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:19:22 GMT

No dejan otra opcion que pasar a opensource, bienvenido Ubuntu EDGY, Gambas, Mono, anjuta....

Ahora me doy cuenta que defendi lo indefendible..

Eduardo Cortes.

Valparaiso - Chile.

Campaña MasFoxPro, salvando un zorro

Jorge Serrano - MVP Visual Developer - Visual Basic — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:56:45 GMT

El otro día, tuve la oportunidad de cruzarme unos correos electrónicos con algunos administradores de

re: Message to the VFP Community

Jorge IQ — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:27:50 GMT

Señores....

desgraciadamente, todos los que nos conocen, nos lo advirtieron, solo era cuestion de tiempo para que microsoft matara a VFP....y sucedio.....

Soy maestro y desarrollador....que enseñaremos mañana.... habrá que pensarlo muy bien.

Uso y desarrollo en fox desde 1987 con su version primera y es un lenguaje del que no conosco arrepentidos.... a pesar de no tener el impacto de la mercadotecnia...o ¿cuantas veces han visto publicidad de VFP en alguna publicacion?....nada comparado con otros productos de MS.

En Fin señores.

Aun así, gracias por el tiempo prestado. Si Prestado, porque al parecer todos esos jovenes que adquieren licencias de sus productos no figura como ingreso importante. Licencias de VFP...y todo el sofware sobre el que se soportan esos desarrollos como windows y SQL.

Hasta luego.

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Max Garcia — Sat, 21 Apr 2007 02:13:42 GMT

Saludos. Requiero toda la informacion posible sobre programacion en fox. Soy estudiante de informatica y carezco de recursos para cubrir gastos en cursos pagos y quiero aprender.

Atte: Max García. Valle de la Pascua- Estado Guárico- Venezuela.

re: Message to the VFP Community

César Gil — Mon, 23 Apr 2007 05:13:10 GMT

VFP es una herramienta incomparable, permite hacer grandes y flexibles proyectos sin mucha programación, dando plena libertad al programador de ejecutar rutinas genericas de código tan faciles que son impensables en otro lenguaje como VB.NET. Si no desean crear mas versiones de VFP dejen que otro lo haga.

La decisión dejará muy claro cuanto vale para MS sus clientes y MS es un proveedores confiable.

Dejando a la deriva a millones de usuarios de VFP se envía un mensaje claro de que puede perder continuidad cualquier otro producto MS. perdiendo la credibilidad que hasta ahora tenia.

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Taylor Silver — Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:34:18 GMT

Its a huge mistake that you dont want to continue with VFP because a lot of aplications in the market depends of this language, and another languages doesnt work specific areas easily.

So much people buy Visual Studio because of VFP, besides without VFP, Visual Studio is incomplete.

People who love VFP will continue or not with MS depending if VFP continues.

Please dont leave us without VFP, because is the best thing that you ever have done.

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Alejandro Campos — Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:50:56 GMT

Simply the best development tool -> VFP.

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FOXMEN — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:52:00 GMT

M$ drop VFP, I drop M$.

VFP FOR EVER!!!

.NET NEVER!!!!

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julian garcia acosta — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:16:33 GMT

deseo saber si me pueden ayudar a activar puertos seriales para leer un lector de codigo de barras y bascula a la vez y como leer los campos

atte julian garcia acosta

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Cyril Joudieh — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:53:11 GMT

Last time I went to Microsoft Momentum Conference, they were talking about Microsoft and People. "It's all about people."

Well people want FoxPro. People want products that work. Not false promises.

I expect Microsoft salesmen to convince me to move to .Net which they are not capable of!!! They are not able to understand the problem even. If some developers want a program that write codes for them, VB.Net is excellent. But what is the end result? Is it bug free? Is it flexible? Is it cost-effective? Is it performing well?

Real programmers like us who provide real solutions need VFP.

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Zane — Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:31:03 GMT

YAG after all you and Ken have done in the VFP community. I feel like you guys really let us down and kicked us in the teeth. I thought you would have protected our interest and at least made sure a migration path existed before killing FOX. Then this press release is lame, you could have at least been straight with us.

I feel like burning my codebook.

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José Camacho Vaca — Sun, 06 May 2007 01:56:53 GMT

Since MS-DOS times Fox has been a very important tool for developers, small business and the VFP comunity in general. I worked with it since those old times, and I respect the decision of MS... like you say: business are business. But maybe it's time to give back some of what you have got: help, support, clients...yes "clients". MS can not, I repeat, can not help us, developers with our source coude or something like that since they bought Fox, your support team (call center) for VFP just does not work and how do we get support for VFP? well, with the VFP community, the biggest one I know in MS territories. How did you get clients from VFP? well, because we develop in VFP and sell our products to clients that need Windows and other MS tools. All those things were money for you, why you can not give back some of what you have got.

Sincerily yours.

José Camacho Vaca

ZORTEC-SISTEMAS

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Victor E. Torres Tejada — Mon, 07 May 2007 11:30:20 GMT

Since MS bought the rights of Foxpro from Fox Technologies about 15 years ago, MS always had the goal of take rushmore core, drop Foxpro and improve SQL Server, i think is the largest project about software and marketing and lie people, VB developers know now that they were one of the puppets in this "business". What we can do now?

Move on, you don't have the money , so no much to do, i think even with the money, the comunity, the customers and the PCs , MS will not change their mind. Listen!, this is a "master" plan with 15 years of development and finally they are finishing it. They won us and still earn money, we lost our prefer tool new version, some projects will stop or maybe all, we don't know, it's depends of us. What we've learned ?, don't trust MS anymore, this it's the best example of what will happen when you trust in "License Software" and even worst, what will happen when the software (Visual Foxpro) is good. So How many "master" plans MS would have since years ago? only they know, after all, "what we think, what we need, what we do, doesn't matter".

Maybe they can take the previous line as their new slogan.

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Victor E. Torres Tejada — Thu, 10 May 2007 01:23:52 GMT

I 've noticed that my comments was cut, however there are another comments largest that mine. The question is, why?

Here is the part that was cut:

"By the way, i signed the letter, even don't have effect on MS decision, but at least is a sign that show how they have changed the world of our comunity, so i have 8 years to migrate to another platform, does anybody know about any "master" plan of MS to bought "Linux"?, please let me know."

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Yeyo — Mon, 14 May 2007 03:32:02 GMT

El mundo sigue cambiando y casi siempre para mal.

The world continue in change and a most for worse.

24 de postari pierdute + comentariile

Weblogul lui Zoli — Wed, 16 May 2007 17:55:50 GMT

Asta dupa caderea de saptamana trecuta: doua discuri crapate simultan, plus backup (numai) din februarie.

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Mike Nasser — Thu, 17 May 2007 16:30:02 GMT

**** Let's face it folks, this is a business decision. ****

Not enough licenses of VFP are being sold, which means not enough $ coming in to support the VFP team and the product. My guess is that Microsoft has been floating the product for a while now, and they finally decided that it's no longer viable to continue doing that.

Thanks Microsoft for keeping VFP going for the past 15 years. You did a great job in transferring it into an OOP product. Also its interoperability with office and other Windows applications is wonderful!

Regarding the suggestions I read above, I am not sure about selling VFP to a third party. Who would want it? Would they have the know-how to continue with it? I doubt they'd have more resources than Microsoft.

It would be great though if VFP become an open code project. That might extend its life and who knows what the devoted fans would do with it!

Best of luck to all. We'll see you on the .NET user groups!

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mARIO aLEJANDRO — Thu, 17 May 2007 19:37:38 GMT

Desde que empeze a desarrollar senti una quimica especial con vfp, mi primer programa fue en vfp5, hace 7 años de ello y actualmente sigo desarrollando en fox, para mi es una herramienta incomparable, Microsoft comete un error, trata con indiferencia y rechazo a cientos de desarrolladores.

Por lo pronto hay que buscar una manera de presionar a MS para que no lo descontinuen.

Visual Fox Pro es el mejor...................

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Efrain — Sat, 19 May 2007 00:04:02 GMT

Me apena mucho que Microsoft tome en cuenta más el dinero que las necesidades de sus clientes, que somos los que a final de cuentas adquirimos el producto, lo anterior lo digo por que resultamente quiere que migremos a (forzori) a .NET., pero quien les dijo que .net es lo único?,

Ok tenemos tiempo de ir estudiando JAVA y Linux, aunque no habría necesidad, si se continuara el desarrollo de Fox.

Para que queremos los recursos de microsoft, si solo van asfixiando a Fox lentamente? Exijo su venta o Liberación de código. adios microsoft!!

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Jimmy Hoffa — Sat, 19 May 2007 08:44:38 GMT

Foxpro is truly a great tool. I think it is so sad for it to be moth-balled. I am a civil engineer and this is THE tool for an engineer, a scientist, a student, and an academic to create models, do research, write applications, and build state of the art web sites. In my humble opinion, the Software biz plan for Microsoft should be about more than just selling new products. The biz plan should also be about supporting some of the truly useful and innovative products it has sold in the past. Simply put, Bill Gates should practice what he preaches...and start paying attention to the principles of fairtrade by helping the common person along their way by continuing to support a tool that has proven itself over time and continues to prove itself (see Rick Strahl's latest web controls...what a great tool to go head-to-head with the grassroots PHP). Bill, don't forget about the grassroots people and they will appreciate it and won't forget about you or Microsoft.

I truly salute Bill Gates and believe in his integrity and good will...however I find it difficult to believe that he really understands the benefits foxpro continues to bring to the 3rd world as well as to the average guy in the first world...and that if he really did appreciate these benefits, people and their situations that he would continue to support the foxpro product.

I ask Bill, does he think the poor Africans along with their 'new' pentium 1 and 2 computers will really be able to learn .NET? Not likely except for an elite few. Foxpro is great tool for the non-programmer and non-elite to learn to become a programmer and better themselves and help better the world. Why kill it?

And lastly, I don't believe for a second Microsoft will successfully squash the 32 bit system until a very very long time. There are a lot of other applications running besides MS office on the world's computers. And I am not convinced Microsoft stranglehold on forcing change is quite a strong as they think it is. Time will tell.

In the meantime, Microsoft, why not backup from your position, and reconsider supporting foxpro for as long as the 32 bit system is able to emulated in the 64 bit OS? It would truly be a win-win situation for Microsoft as well its customers...Microsoft can herold its support of its legacy systems and examplify its ability to act in a fair and considerate manner.

Come on Yag. Tell Bill or someone up there to think again...please help push these guys towards fairtrade principles. Think of the potential PR benefits. This would cut right into the side of the open-source anti-Microsoft adversaries by showing that Microsoft Cares. Furthermore this would go towards helping some of those same people Bill & Melinda are sincerely striving to help.

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Adrian D'Angelo — Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:48:15 GMT

¡¡¡¡MICROSOFT NOS ARRUINA!!!

En mi caso, adquirí mi primer version 2.5 de foxpro para windows y luego el upgrade a la 2.6, luego la visual foxpro 3.0, visual foxpro 5.0, visual foxpro 6.0, visual foxpro 7.0, visual foxpro 8.0 y por último la version de visual foxpro 9.0.

Y ahora me proponen comprar una version full de .net?.

¡¡¡NO!!!

¡¡¡otra vez no me estafan!!!

Invertí más de u$s 3000 para tener las versiones originales de este espectacular producto y de un día para el otro no tan solo lo discontinuan sino que -"muchachos les damos 15 años para que migren a .net, y sino jodansé"-.

Hace 15 años que trabajo con visual foxpro y todo lo que desarrollé hasta ahora lo tengo que tirar a la basura porque es más fácil empezar nuevamente en otro lenguaje que migrar.

Para empeorar la situación, algunos clientes se niegan a comprar mis productos ya que se enteraron de que microsoft anunció el fin de Visual Foxpro.

Si no desisten con la finalización de Visual Foxpro yo voy a desistir de WINDOWS, de OFFICE, de SQL SERVER para empezar nuevamente una reingeniería bajo L I N U X.

Microsoft, no te importa un comino de todos los estúpidos que te dimos de comer durante tanto tiempo y te hicimos crecer de la manera que ahora sos.

¿¿¿Con esa moneda nos pagas???

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Redfish CZ — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:21:15 GMT

It is time for somebody (or open comunity) to create vfp platform on another OS. Goodbye Windows! Never more.

FoxPro - o veste proasta si una buna

Weblogul lui Zoli — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:26:11 GMT

Cu care sa incep? Pai, vestea proasta e ca nu va mai exista versiunea 10 a Visual FoxPro, ceea ce inseamna